All copper Gobrecht dollars have die alignment III and were struck using a plain edge collar. No reeded edge copper specimens exist. This is an error in Adams & Woodin which, unfortunately, was repeated by Judd. I believe these were struck later than the 1859 timeframe often listed for these. I believe they were struck circa 1874-1876 when such coins as the 1801-3 proof dollars, the 1827 quarter restrikes both in silver and copper, the 1851-1853 copper restrikes and the pattern trade dollars with the reverse of 1859 were produced. It is likely from the die states that they were all struck at the same time. One of the Chapman brothers mentions this circa 1874-1880 timeframe as well - see lot 1005 of Bowers and Merena's Champa II library sale, which mentions Snowden and Thatcher in connection with some 1838 Gobrecht dollars.

Editors note: Thacher (only one T) was a clerk at the Mint in the late 1860s per some documents in the Mint Archives - thanks Roger Burdette !

All of these with the reverse of 1836 show a raised die mark (rust?) between the left and right base of the "A" in "States" and have die cracks through "NITED STATES O" and "OLLA". Those with the reverse of 1838 show reverse die cracks through "MERIC" and "NITE", a small raised die spur from upper curve of "D" in "United" into field and a depression in the field below and to the right of the "F" in "OF" from something adhering to the die.

1) B/R 6/75 lot 1260 at $6000 later to C. Smith of San Clemente California (per Coin World classified section), B/M 7/02 at $62,100. Dr. Korein, ANS - PCGS64RB - illustrated above

2) Haseltine 2/1877 lot 557 (first occurrence for any copper Gobrecht - ex Idler?), Scott 12/1878?, Parmelee 6/1890 lot 26, Woodside 4/1892, Woodin-1914 ANS, Newcomer, Col Green, (St. Louis Stamp & Coin-Eric Newman & B.G. Johnson), Farouk-Sotheby’s 2/54 lot 1716, J. Turoff-B/M 3/94 lot 1454 at $11,000 as PCGS60RB, Stacks 7/08 (not sold) , Stacks 7/09 as PCGS61RB, Simpson-Heritage 11/20 - PCGS63RB cleaned, illustrated below

3) Wharton-Stacks 10/45 lot 1627, Kagin 9/72 lot 44, Heritage 8/2010 as NGC64BN, Simpson collection - PCGS65BN, illustrated below

Col Green owned 2 of these.

Note: No originals exist from this obverse die in silver or copper despite Breen & Julian believing that they do. All specimens seen have strong die breaks through the reverse letters as described by Breen and in Pollock.

This reverse or the reverse of 1838 shows some die rust by the right reverse pellet after Dollar per Dave Novoselsky.

J62/P67

1) 67 ANA lot 1919, Hughes 7/80 lot 110 at $12,250, Southern collection, Simpson collection - PCGS65RB - illustrated above

2) Dr. Korein, ANS - PCGS64RB with die rust removed and coin recolored, illustrated below

Old listings include:

1) Parmelee 6/1890 lot 25, Low 6/03 lot 532, Earle 6/12 lot 2193, Jackson 5/13 lot 1525, Newcomer, Col Green

2) Gschwend (Elder 6/08 lot B), Brand #44160

later listings include Olsen 11/44 lot 1 and/or Farouk-Sotheby’s 2/54 lot 1714, H. Schulman.

See also Bolt-Stacks 4/66 lot 1610 at $410 described as XF & struck on a porous planchet (possibly an electro with plating removed ?)

Note: Electrotypes do exist - see Rarcoa’s N.M. Kaufman sale for an example.

This obverse die shows rust in the left obverse field in front of Liberty’s face possibly the ‘scratch’ described on the Olsen example.

J64/P64

1) Parmelee 6/1890 lot 27, Reed, Durham Museum - ICGS65RB, illustrated above.

Photo from the Byron Reed Collection; owned by the City of Omaha, Nebraska; on loan to The Durham Museum.

2) Austin Collection, Kagin 11/74 lot 1860, 77 ANA lot 2072, Auction 90 lot 880 at $22,000, B/M 7/02 at $55,200, Dr. Korein, ANS - PCGS64RB - illustrated above

3) Gschwend (Elder 6/08 lot C), Brand #44161, Boyd (per B.G. Johnson invoice on 7/16/41), Hughes 1/80 lot 55, Superior 1/86 lot 1191 at $14,300, D. Novoselsky, NY Dealer, B/M 8/95 lot 484 (not sold), ANR 3/04 lot 1159, Stacks 11/08, Stacks 7/09 at $356,500 as PCGS65RED, Simpson collection - PCGS65RB, illlustrated below

Photo courtesy of American Numismatic Rarities.

This coin has been dipped sometime between the 1986 & 1995 sales to eliminate some of the spotting per D. Novoselsky.

Additional listings for the last 2 include Curtis (Kosoff 2/50 lot 1027); and Farouk-Sotheby’s 2/54 lot 1718

Note: All of these show a lint mark? on the reverse below and to the right of the letter "F" in "OF".

J66/P69

Unconfirmed - probably doesn’t exist !!

J87/P96

1) Parmelee 6/1890 lot 30, Reed, Durham Museum - ICG64RB, illustrated above

Photo from the Byron Reed Collection; owned by the City of Omaha, Nebraska; on loan to The Durham Museum.

2) Gschwend (Elder 6/08 lot D), Brand #44162, Boyd (per B.G. Johnson invoice on 7/16/41), Farouk-Sotheby’s 2/54 lot 1724, Harmer Rooke 11/69 lot 3740, Stacks 12/94 lot 1085 at $22,000, Sotheby’s 6/96 at $16,500, B/M 1/97 at $14,300 as NGC63BN, Stacks 1/08 as PCGS63RB at $529,000, Dr. Korein, ANS - cleaned, hairlined, retoned and illustrated below.

J89/P99

1) Gschwend (Elder 6/08 lot E), Brand #44163, Kelly 3/17/41 (B.G. Johnson invoice), Farouk-Sotheby’s 2/54 lot 1722, Heritage 3/88 lot 2281 at $6325, Heritage 9/88 lot 1870 at $6930, Auction 89 lot 672 at $11,000, B/M 1/99 lot 299 at $27,600 as NGC63BN, Dr. Korein, ANS - cleaned, retoned - illustrated above

J107/P119

1) Gschwend (Elder 6/08 lot F), Brand #44164, Boyd (per B.G. Johnson invoice on 7/16/41), Farouk-Sotheby’s 2/54 lot 1729, Kagin 10/66 lot 1595, Kagin 5/69 lot 212, Kagin 9/72 lot 50, Heritage 8/2010 as NGC66BN, Simpson-Heritage 5/22 - PCGS65BN, illustrated above

1) Gschwend (Elder 6/08 lot G), Brand #44165, B.G. Johnson to Stacks on July 8, 1941 per Newman Numismatic Portal, Stacks 8/41 lot 1791, Judd-Illustrated History #126, Kaplan & Kosoff FPL’s late 1960’s, Simpson-Heritage 5/24 - PCGS64RB/NGC64RB

The Gschwend-Brand pedigrees are per Joseph C. Mitchelson’s named copy of that sale in my possession and were confirmed against the Brand Journals in the ANS on 12/30/97.